When the PageRank Toolbar Goes Dark…
Dave mentioned the other day that the day when public PageRank becomes a thing of the past is getting closer. I seem to recall the prospect as having been ‘just over the horizon’ for years now, but it’s still hanging in there. Having said that, the whole thing has been such a distorter of value for so long now I can’t wait to see the back of it. It will certainly be a hell of a shock to site owners used to demanding vast levels of payment on the basis of 6 green pixels.
But… how are you planning to replace it? I assume you’re preparing or 2010 could shape up to be a difficult year for you. Here’s a few thoughts.
Build your own index
Building an index of the internet isn’t actually that technically difficult in itself. What makes it difficult is the scale of the job - and then how you then make sense of the data once you’ve got it. A list of billions of URLs tells you nothing by itself.
Like a lot of SEO companies, we’ve been making moves in this direction for a long time
Of course then you’ve got to keep a record of billions of URLs which comes with its own problems. If you think all of Google’s revenues go into the fun stuff like Wave then you’ve no idea of the kind of cost involved in the kind of indexing they do. This gives you great information to work with but also increases your cost base. That said, you can hive off datasets to customers (and rivals) for payment – so you can offset some of your cost by creating a revenue stream from the data.
But this also gives you potentially a lot of equity. If you have your own internal scoring system that reliably tallies against rankings then you’ve hit paydirt.
Alternative Indices
The likes of SEOMoz’s linkscape and Majestic SEO offer alternatives to Google’s index. Unlike building your own tool, all the hard work is done for you – but you have to pay for that proprietary data. Mozrank and AC Rank are also different things measured by different criteria. So the question is refined: do you have the smarts to work with the data you’re getting?
Again, the savvy SEO should be able to read the tealeaves pretty well. For the PageRank linkbuyer? Sayonara, sucker!
Usage data
In both of the instances above lies a problem. You might identify a partner on some metric that either comes from your own data or a third party, but that might mean diddly to the site owner – so how do you negotiate?.
Currently, if you’re negotiating with a site you often only have a few things to go on. PageRank is both the obvious choice and misleading one. Aside from that, you’ve got a gut feeling about the quality of a site and you can profile pretty accurately whether its a ‘good’ site depending on your market. Where PageRank is the great distorter is that many site owners – not SEOs – value their sites by that alone.
Can you imagine ITV selling advertising on the basis of some poorly updated, partial and opaque metric like PageRank? Hell no! To woo advertisers they supply demographics, viewing figures, timings and a host of other data.
Savvy sites already have that data and will do well out of it. If you’ve dealt with CPM rates on Bigmeeja sites you’ll have some idea of the kind of value they place on their properties. The poor linkbuying sap looking for PR4 sites with eighty quid in his back pocket suddenly got burned.
Perversely, the end of PageRank tyranny is going to give Google a much freer hand to clean up splogs and the like. We all know a PR6 site with no traffic and therefore no actual value. The blogfarmers game PageRank and make hay while the getting is good – encouraging the ‘link economy’ to grow out of proportion to its worth. Without the responsibility of having to maintain a facade to protect those guys, Google can quietly start being much more aggressive with its algorithms.
Conclusion?
The best companies will have an arsenal of data to work with up their sleeve. If the £100 a month services aren’t feeling the heat right now, you can be sure they’re going to be howling at the moon when they can’t stick a PageRank column in their reports. Without PageRank, a poor site looks like a poor site. PageRank is a figleaf for far too many sites to hide behind.
For genuine site owners, lazily pointing to some green in the toolbar won’t be an option any more. If they’re looking to justify advertising slots, they’re going to have get a lot smarter about the metrics they show to potential advertisers. And you know what? A lot of them will suddenly find that they’ve got to start working a lot harder than spilling thin-content shills all over a WordPress template. That’s only got to be a good thing for everyone.
So for the likes of stand up guys like you and me? Make better sites. Make more linkworthy content. Make better contacts. Whatever else changes on the surface, those are the eternal truths.






Gareth James 1338 days ago
http://www.seo-doctor.co.uk/…or sit tight and wait for Dave to open up the membership area and hope to get a sniff of the data you guys are hoarding.
Shark SEO 1338 days ago
http://sharkseo.comI’m surprised Google have left toolbar page rank around for this long – isn’t it only used by link sellers?
Roger Bert 1338 days ago
Thanks for sharing the toolbar pagerank alternatives. For any serious SEO person the toolbar pagerank won’t be a big loss as we have known for a many months that toolbar ranking was unreal and not to rely on it.
SEOJewl 1338 days ago
I think this will definitely weed out the bad sites but it will open the flood gates on normal sites selling links as now they cannot tell if their PR has been dinged. So many link sellers will not sell links in fear of losing PR but when they find out PR is no longer factored in they will have every incentive to sell sell sell
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BWI 1337 days ago
http://www.bestwebimage.comI’ve been screaming take it down for years. A Google marketing scheme that has completely warped (the wrong way) the way the web is today.
Andrew 1337 days ago
I disagree. Of course a crappy site with generic content that’s been setup after a high PR domain’s been purchased is such an obviously bad site to have a link from (thin content, give it a few months it goes from PR5 to PR0).
But couple fairly decent PR (3,4,5) with obviously honed content, and you know the site is good. I’ve not seen a site that’s got really decent content and a healthy backlink profile (i.e not spammy backlink profile) that isn’t at least PR4+. So in that case PR is a good measuring stick.
Fools who look ONLY at PR as a measurement and not the content on the site….and their money are easily parted. Doesn’t mean PR is bad because I always see these sites get clobbered with huge PR drops.
Amelia Vargo 1337 days ago
I’d love to take a look at the data you guys have been gathering
Totally agree with the conclusion here, make good sites with relevant content and you can’t go wrong. Usefulness is never a bad thing.
paul carpenter 1337 days ago
http://www.itsafamilything.co.uk@Andrew
I don’t think we’re disagreeing about anything really. There’s good sites and bad sites and PR is sometimes a quality signal… and sometimes it isn’t.
Anyway, the main point stands: when (not if) it goes west… whatchagonnado?
Steven Morgan 1337 days ago
Lol I got slated for saying in an SEOMoz post that crawling and saving the data that Linkscape has was a relatively easy task for any competent programmers – glad to see that sensible people rather than fan boys obviously live on this side of the pond.
Your completely correct ofcourse working with the data is where the challenge is but with more and more languages providing easy to use map reduce functions that challenge is getting small too.
Steven Morgan 1337 days ago
Lol I got slated in an SEOMoz for saying post that gathering the data that Linkscape holds is a relatively easy task for any competent programmer – glad to see that sensible people rather than fan boys live on this side of the pond.
Your completely correct ofcourse working with the data is where the challenge is but with more and more languages providing easy to use map reduce functions that challenge is getting small too.
Shark SEO 1337 days ago
http://sharkseo.comPaul, could your gravatar be any stranger?
SEOux Indianer 1337 days ago
http://www.seouxindianer.de/Hm, Matt Cutts shaved his head, the PR maybe gets dumped.. is google on the way to a freaky reincarnation with some indian gurus or such?
Ken B 1337 days ago
http://www.seowizzards.co.uk/To be honest I’m surprised Google have left toolbar page rank around for this long im sure this will fade out very soon!
Mike SEO 1337 days ago
http://www.fuseo.co.ukThe toolbar will never go dark as long as Matt Cutts keeps his superpowers.
See http://www.fuseo.co.uk/blog/2009/10/will-visible-google-pr-become-thing-of.html
Anthony Shapley 1336 days ago
http://shapley.euIts great news – will make SEO a much more skilled job. It will also bring an end to over inflated link sales, I’ve seen massive rises in the cost of buying links over the last 12 months. Without this metric to sell on, we’re all in much better standing.
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Sean Carlos 1333 days ago
http://www.antezeta.com/blog/One common refrain you’ll hear from Google employees is that Google is a data driven company.
The google toolbar provides rich data to Google on surfing habits – from query to conversion. While toolbar data can be gamed (read: Alexa), Google has plenty of experience filtering extraneous data (read: Click fraud) and is able to benchmark toolbar data with Google Analytics data.
To the extent Google finds the toolbar a nice data collection tool, Google has no incentive to remove that nice green thingy that goes up and down.
Paul Carpenter 1332 days ago
http://www.itsafamilything.co.uk@Sean
Google can and will still bring in data from the toolbar regardless of whether the PageRank button is visibly active. It’s the” visible” part that’s the problem….
Sean Carlos 1332 days ago
http://www.antezeta.com/blog/@Paul
When you install a virgin G. toolbar, there is a privacy opt-in where you agree to Google’s calling home features like page rank display.
You should also be able to install the toolbar without Google’s calling home, i.e. Google only has search data, not site surfing data – you just wouldn’t have “advanced” features like PR and perhaps Sidewiki.
Now I admit I haven’t recently tried to install the toolbar without the call home functionality but someone could do that and verify behavio[u]r using http live headers or similar.
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Mike Tate 1281 days ago
I think all of you are stupid to sit around discussing Page Rank and when Google is going to remove it. The bottom line is, if you are not interested in Page Rank then remove it from your toolbar or better yet don’t install the toolbar.
Page Rank has nothing to do with what you are using the Internet for unless you are in the business of selling Page Rank. Do a search on dating, dating sites come up. Do a search for beer, beer information comes up. What the h@ll does your Internet usage and experience has to do with Page Rank?
All of you need to grow up, get a life already and stop whining like little 8 year-olds about nothing of any real use. Somebody asks how to get a Page Rank of 5 and then some moron for the millionth time has to respond “Page Rank is not a factor in how you rank in the serps, I would focus on quality content”. Look dumb@@S, he didn’t ask you about quality content he asked you about how to get a PR of 5 and if you don’t know the answer, then shut up!
While you people are discussing when Google is going to remove Page Rank, you need to be discussing when the Internet Cops are going to start removing idiots such as yourselves from the internet! And the worst part about it is that you people really think that you are having a constructive and intellectual discussion! WOW!
paul carpenter 1281 days ago
http://www.itsafamilything.co.ukTo paraphrase Obi Wan Kenobi: who is more foolish – the people having a foolish discussion or the person who joins the discussion to point out how foolish it is?
But yeah, Mike: you’re right. We’re closing down the blog – thanks for the heads up
yona_joglo 1150 days ago
http://www.yona-joglo.co.ccTo be honest I’m surprised Google have left toolbar page rank around for this long im sure this will fade out very soon!
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