Hahaha Jason you look all worried mate, http://twitter.com/jasoncalacanis,
Drug smuggling is illegal, Meta search engines aren’t,
But what is making the Google Boys jump around is Search results in side search results, and correct me if I’m wrong but should that mean Mahalo shouldn’t be listed ??
DaveN
Firewall Script I'm going to do a full write up on this, but I have been testing this out on a blog, that's been hacked and DDOS a few times over the last 6 months, why do people feel I want to host their Malware, why don't I just update WP time and effort I guess
Anyway I had been looking for a solution that i can install on a shared box that that I didn't have root access on.
Anyway My test is coming to an end, and I going to try and score a deal on a multiple domain license, or even try and buy a lump of the company lol
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Mahalo.com has 2k+ pages indexed already. I just hope they don’t become an authority and rank for everything under the sun like Wikipedia.
Taking ‘ranking info’ is illegal according to cuntacanis http://twitter.com/JasonCalacanis/statuses/190836442 :)
I can’t understand why Matt hasn’t banned Mahalo yet…
He must be right, cos it’s inside info
twitter.com/JasonCalacanis/statuses/190269762
Did you guys watch the Giga Om Show with Jason and Kevin Rose?
inside info: i think jason calacanis will be shut down soon for breaking the Terms of Service of McDonalds etc. Trademarkabuse is illegal
what a plonker…!
sorry had to comment again, i love the way he pulls ‘graywolf’ in with the misspelling ‘greywolf’.
quote from jcs twitter “greywolf: stealing someone’s intellectual property (i.e. like aftervote is doing by taking ranking information) *IS* against the law”
1. in that case google, yahoo, msn should be shut down, as they sure as hell didnt ask my permission to take snippets of my intellectual property to use in their search results.
2. dont say it when your ripping the mcdonalds logo on your twitter page.
3. dont quote people and add your opinion in brackets, within that quote, it confuses and misleads people. (see shoemoney blog post to see how pissed graywolf is).
I love the idea of syndicating the ranking information form Google, Yahoo, and Ask. However, I was told specifically that it is against the terms of service and that they would take action against folks doing meta search. It you look in their terms of service they say it’s not allowed.
So, if you can get them to change the TOS I’m 100% behind you brother! I’d love to put the Google rank on our pages.
In terms of us being a search engine or content provider we’ve had discussions with folks at the major search engines and because we are a) 100% hand rolled and b) writing original content on our pages (i.e. guide notes, fast facts, and reviews of sites) we are not consider search results, but rather guides.
As such, the major search engines have given us the green light in terms of indexing our pages. if they don’t want us indexed we’ll comply with that.
Best of luck,
Jason
Here are the details from the Google TOS
http://www.google.com/intl/en/mobile/xhtml/terms_of_service.html
No Automated Querying
You may not send automated queries of any sort to Google’s system without express permission in advance from Google. Note that “sending automated queries” includes, among other things:
- using any software which sends queries to Google to determine how a website or webpage “ranks” on Google for various queries;
- “meta-searching” Google; and
- performing “offline” searches on Google.
Please do not write to Google to request permission to “meta-search” Google for a research project, as such requests will not be granted.
Do you think Google is going to allow folks to change this, or are you saying that it may be against their TOS but you think you have a legal case against Google to do it? If you can get Google to approve this use I’d love get looped in on that discussion as it would be very cool to put the relative Google/Yahoo/Ask ranking next to our site reviews.
However, I asked folks at Google specifically about doing this and they said DO NOT do it or you will be blocked by Google.
Thoughts?
j
ps - I love the service… it think it’s very cool to including the rankings across the three majors.. I’ve seen this done many times before and I always think “this is too good to be true”
pss - congrats on linkbaiting me…. :-)
hmmmm…. no response Dave?
maybe thats what dave was thinking when he posted this…
hmmmm… no response Jason?
fair play to Dave, your first reply was at 8:30pm uk time…
Jason: Just because you cant get access, does not mean nobody else can. In regards to google, we do have permission, same with alexa, compete and stumbleupon- at MSN and yahoo, they could not grant “permission” but also promised there would be no issues, and that many others did this. As I wrote before- Perhaps google does not want you bringing down the quality of there image any more than you have, with all the negative press mahalo gets (especially from the VC community- I overheard some guys from clearstone saying that you must have been on crack when you pitched it to them)
Additionally, You deftly dive around arguments of why there are meta search engines over 10 years old still surviving. ( http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Internet/Searching/Metasearch/ ) I do believe google would have “Put them in jail” For there “Illegal” actions by now. The TOS you quoted btw, has to do with querys via API (which we dont use). Can you find one automated query on aftervote? No. If you actually looked at how dave programmed it, its YOUR browser that searches G/Y/M/ETC and reports back the results. -This is how google suggested we program it!- You are indeed a fool jason, especially with the hundreds, if not thousands of “pagerank checkers” which “illegaly” get googles ranking data-
By the way, if you want to start rumbling off ToS’s perhaps it would be intelligent of you to actually give the ToS’s of the API’s and not for the homepage.
http://code.google.com/apis/ajaxsearch/terms.html
http://code.google.com/apis/soapsearch/api_terms.html
Dan,
Google really gave permission to pull their data? Interesting… do you know who at Google gave the greenlight for pulling their data? I had a very senior person there say don’t do it (I’ll find out if they want to go public with that statement). That is interesting that Dave is doing it on the user side. Thanks for the tip! I’ll check with Google and see if they are cool with it.
In terms of Clearstone who said that? I’ve have term sheets here that say they were very interested in investing in Mahalo, and I’m on the board of one of their companies (ThisNext) and in their office every week. If they said I was on crack, perhaps that was a compliment intended to describe my energy level?! :-)
all the best,
Jason
“Just because you cant get access, does not mean nobody else can. In regards to google, we do have permission”
Dan, can you let me know who you talked to at Google?
Functionally I don’t see how Jason’s site could be anything but a manually scraped meta site. Certainly the editors use the major SE’s and just pick through the top results. The only difference, I guess, is that it will never be able to keep up with the long tail like the automated ones.
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