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The Times Online Screwed Up?

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Added By DaveN :
SEO is dead remember :

also thetimes.co.uk pr8

Rupert Murdoch’s serious about his war with Google. Why else would he change his canonical domain from http://timesonline.co.uk http://thetimes.co.uk (PR8) to the new (less friendly) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/ (PR5)? He’s just flexing his muscles to show how little he cares about PageRank, right?

Either that or his developers have screwed up and no-one ever at News International is sufficiently on the ball to realise that their domains are shot to hell :)

In a sense, this is all a bit of fun, but it is perhaps indicative that traditional media still haven’t got to grips with the demands of the internets. It’s only a small thing, but I’ve had The Times bookmarked at the old URL for years and fixing this problem is the work of seconds. By my count, the old domain has been lost for a couple of weeks at least. That’s a tonne of link equity currently rotting away, and God alone knows how many bookmarks and links that are getting deleted.

While PR doesn’t correlate with rankings, it does show that the old domain is holding a lot more authority than the new site. Murdoch and Google have locked horns a lot recently, Murdoch thinking that his brands are so strong that he can afford to decouple himself from Google’s traffic and charge directly to access his content (I think he’s mad as a box of frogs, personally) so perhaps he genuinely isn’t interested in external metrics like PageRank.

Even so, maintaining that brand means keeping those critical canonical URLs alive as long as possible. Inevitably content will get shunted off this mortal coil, but breaking everyone’s bookmarks and links is no way to maintain a brand – particularly if your content is much of a muchness with other sites as is increasingly the case.

Ah well. His funeral.

27 Comments

  • rishil 1259 days ago

    http://designer-watches.org

    Do you think the Times SEOs still work there or are they looking for new jobs?

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  • Robin Parduez 1259 days ago

    http://brightscape.net/about/

    That’s a strange move for The Times. Shifting across to the www subdomain seems unnecessary in their case.

    They could’ve really thrown a spanner in the works and used a 302 redirect (shock horror)!

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  • Neil Yeomans 1259 days ago

    http://twitter.com/neil_yeomans

    Take it the 301 redirects from http://timesonline.co.uk / http://www.timesonline.co.uk to /tol/news/ weren’t active when you wrote this blog post?

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  • Drew 1259 days ago

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk

    Sorry Paul, I’m afraid you’re wrong here. The canonical URL of Times Online has been http://www.timesonline.co.uk redirecting to http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news since Feb 5th 2007, which is when we relaunched the site. The drop in toolbar PageRank is caused by a separate issue, has no impact on traffic whatsover, and is being resolved.

    Journalists tend to check their facts by speaking to involved parties before publishing; I recommend you do the same in future. I would appreciate you publishing a clarification.

    Thanks
    Drew

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  • paul carpenter 1259 days ago

    http://www.itsafamilything.co.uk

    Haha! They must be reading – it’s been broken for weeks and they’ve fixed it within 10 minutes of it being blogged here.

    Hi Mr. Murdoch – do I get a reward? Or a free copy of The Sun?

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  • Drew 1259 days ago

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk

    Haha! They must be reading – it’s been broken for weeks and they’ve fixed it within 10 minutes of it being blogged here.

    No, it’s never been broken. As I mention above, the site has been hosted under http://www.timesonline.co.uk for years now. Believe me, there’s no way you could fix anything in 10 mins round here….

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  • paul carpenter 1259 days ago

    http://www.itsafamilything.co.uk

    Hi again Drew – sorry, I did make an error… I was meant to be pointing out the broken URL was (and still is) http://thetimes.co.uk – slip of the fingers there. Put a screenshot above so you can see the problem. If you get a spare ten minutes… ;)

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  • Robert Nicholson (robbothan) 1259 days ago

    http://www.linkedin.com/in/robertjnicholson

    Hey,
    So you’ve added the images – but those are of “traveldeals.timesonline.co.uk” and “thetimes.co.uk” – and yet you’ve blogged about canonical redirect of timesonline.co.uk (which it has been for years). Seperate issues.

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  • paul carpenter 1259 days ago

    http://www.itsafamilything.co.uk

    Hi Rob – crossed comments there… see above for correction

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  • DaveN 1259 days ago

    @Robert actually I added the images see the bit where it says : Added By DaveN : ;)

    Paul is updating the article with the thetimes.co.uk link

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  • David Whitehouse 1259 days ago

    http://www.david-whitehouse.org

    Drew – if you guys don’t want it, can I have it? ;)

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  • Neil Yeomans 1259 days ago

    http://twitter.com/neil_yeomans

    Ah ha, now the article makes sense! However, I don’t think that much damage wouldn’ve been done failing to redirect http://thetimes.co.uk/ as http://www.thetimes.co.uk/ 301 redirects fine (and would’ve been the actual PR8 domain). Still, there’d be a minority of people linking to http://thetimes.co.uk/ so should’ve been redirected from a link juice perspective.

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  • Luke 1259 days ago

    Paul Carpenter Screwed Up?

    Just playing.

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  • Drew 1259 days ago

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk

    Thanks for adding the clarification Paul. However, the changed text still does not really reflect the story:

    Rupert Murdoch’s serious about his war with Google. Why else would he change his canonical domain from http://timesonline.co.uk http://thetimes.co.uk (PR8) to the new (less friendly) http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/ (PR5)?

    This statement is incorrect regardless of the domain, because we haven’t changed the domain. To me the issue seems to be far smaller than you make out, and could be stated as:

    Times Online own the domain thetimes.co.uk, but don’t have a redirect pointing from http://thetimes.co.uk to their current domain.

    Now while this might generate a smattering of type-in traffic, it’s not a big issue because Times content used to be hosted on the http://www.thetimes.co.uk domain, and all links to that domain are redirected.

    Thanks very much for spotting the missing non www version though, of course it should be redirected regardless of PR benefit, and we’ll get it sorted out.

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  • Ben 1259 days ago

    http://twitter.com/Generic_Jammin

    But aren’t The Times moving TO http://thetimes.co.uk when they launch the paywall anyway, so http://www.thetimesonline.co.uk will soon be out of favour. That lets them launch a seperate Sunday Times domain. Drew?

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  • Dan 1259 days ago

    http://www.colo.co.uk

    You ever tried http://hmrc.gov.uk — popped along to pay my tax bill and it seems they’ve closed down :)

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  • malcolm coles 1259 days ago

    http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk

    Dan: I made a list of these a while back: http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/www-not-same-as-non-www/ – I had 8 more on top of HMRC like Smiths, Body Shop, Woolworths etc.

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  • NGT Web Site Design 1259 days ago

    I am shocked to see a big Blue Chip organisation make such an omission.

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  • Drew 1259 days ago

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk

    Ben, there are a number of Sunday Times domains already in existence and currently pointed to Times Online – these date from days of yore when we published on two domains. As a new standalone website the Sunday Times will naturally have it’s own domain, but I don’t know whether we will use one of these or a new one.

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  • Stu Bowker 1259 days ago

    http://www.propellernet.co.uk

    According to a few Rex Swain checks, it appears that both http://thetimes.co.uk & http://www.thetimes.co.uk have 301 redirects pointing to http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news which in turn strangely 301′s to http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/ (note the additional / at the end, it’s worth changing that Drew).

    So it may seem to users that the page isn’t working, but crawlers are still able to pass on the PR8 benefit through the redirect, no?

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  • Kenneth 1258 days ago

    http://www.seowizzards.co.uk/

    I think Rupert Murdoch is daft and to be honest don’t think he knows what he is doing going to war with Google.

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  • Melissa 1258 days ago

    http://blog.optimum7.com/melissa

    If he thinks loads of people are going to pay for online news…he’s got another thing coming. I think he is going to lose more than half of his audience. Things have changed…don’t fight it, embrace it, and figure out how to make it work better.

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  • Amelia Vargo 1256 days ago

    I’m sure they have their reasons for this. It seems mad now, but maybe it’ll come clear?

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  • Chris Peterson 1256 days ago

    According to you have redirect using 301.

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  • activetraffic 1254 days ago

    http://www.activetraffic.de

    if traffic remains the same, it´s all nonsense, isn´t it? ;-)

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  • Uttoran Sen 1254 days ago

    http://technascent.com

    looks like, after all this isn’t such a big issue, all the old links are redirected making sure that not much of link juice is lost…

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  • RG 1253 days ago

    http://www.hotelsoutlook.com

    Tons of media companies have the same problem – but I bet everyone including their CEO is an expert in SEO and they probably had heated discussion around duplicate content too

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