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The Biggest Change In SEO To Date?

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This could be one of the biggest changes in the SEO industry for a long time.

I did my usual check of a few different search terms today, to see what is going on, when I noticed something odd. I was using Google Chrome Incognito which prevents the use of cookies and should give me a fresh set of results each time (without any personalisation). So I checked out the term “seo” and was shocked to see myself on page one – the first thing that occurred to me was that maybe Google had done such a drastic change that it had some how resulted in me hitting page one. Then I noticed all the my local colleagues were also page one, at which point I realised it must be something to do with local search.

Here are the results I got for SEO (no cookies, no personalisation):

At this point I shouted out to my colleagues about Google Local – as usual the response was “are you logged in?” and “have you cleared your cookies” etc. After we did the normal “are you making a rookie mistake?” checks Dave noticed Google is detecting our location better, “Ripon” is the location, and that its changing the SERPS in a big way.

Next Dave took a look at a number of other locations – the top 4 results were the same, with the local websites ranking below.

Check out:

SEO (location set to London)

SEO (location set to Manchester)

This is number 5 to 9 for SEO with the location set as Manchester.

SEO (location set to Leeds)

This is positions 6,7 and 8 for SEO with the location set in Leeds.

SEO (location set to Harrogate)

This is just 11.6 miles away from Ripon (according to Google), look how different it is (positions #6-#10):

SEO (location set to Thirsk)

Again Thirsk is a town local to Ripon, just 12.7 miles away – this time there are no local SEO agencies, so instead Google appears to show more national results, this is positions #6-#10:

He then tried logging in, again no change – it appears Google have just brought in some kind of change that results in perhaps the best ranking, or maybe even national companies ranking #1-#4 and then local companies down the rest of the page, with number #10 (sometimes #9) occasionally changing to national companies – certainly a big change.

Next step: phoning my mum, she’s about 400m away at The Old Deanery hotel & restaurant – I get her to type in SEO and see what it says, she gets what I would expect, normal generic SEO with no local results – turns out she hasn’t got any location set.

At this point we realised, Google must be saving the location we have set in the past via IP address – since there can’t be any other way, this appears to be confirmed in this article (see “Can I turn off location-based customization?”) – and there’s no opt-out!

UK Results Return The Same Results As London!

So now to rank check we have to change the location to “UK” – this gets us what the national rankings are, but with all these changes likely to hit a huge amount of users it does pose the question “what’s the point?”. This is the search results #6-#10 for SEO with the location set as “UK”, you’ll notice it is identical to SEO with a location of “London”:

Tip from Dave: It might be worth targeting London in order to hit the nationals.

Dave believes this to be one of two things:
1. The future of local integration without maps.
2. Or they are testing an industry – but how stupid (or clever?) do they have to be to test it on an industry that would notice so quickly such as SEO, instead of say, “mechanic”?

Search terms we have noticed that are affected so far are: seo, web design, news.

Please comment below if you notice any other search terms doing it, or if you have anything else to add – we’d love to hear about it.

56 Comments

  • Alan Charnock 468 days ago

    http://www.internetmarketing-seo.co.uk

    Have you also noticed that Wikipedia was number one for term seo for the past 8 years and its no longer there?

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    • David Whitehouse 468 days ago

      Alan, well pointed out, we’ve just checked our rank check of it, yesterday it was number 1, today it has dropped to #14 according to our rank check.

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      • Alan Charnock 468 days ago

        http://www.internetmarketing-seo.co.uk

        Wikipedia seems to have lost other listings today like the term “search engine optimisation” perhaps its another big change in seo?

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    • Malcolm Oakley 465 days ago

      http://www.seosme.co.uk

      Wikipedia No1. for SEO search (11th March 2012), I’m located in Ireland. Signed into Google, using Google.co.uk. Did a simple search for SEO.

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      • Malcolm Oakley 465 days ago

        http://www.seosme.co.uk

        But search local pages from UK only and Wikipedia are no where to be seen! Interesting stuff indeed.

        Yet another big shake up then by the big G!

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    • Vasko Tashevski 426 days ago

      http://cyberlinkmedia.com

      I’ve just checked out guys.. Wikipedia made come back on No1 spot

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  • Shark SEO 468 days ago

    http://sharkseo.com

    I’ve noticed this here and there, I think it rolled out early this week although I couldn’t find many examples. From a search in Brighton, “mechanics” actually does give me 3 Brighton based results (interestingly, one of them is Qype’s page on Brighton mechanics: http://www.qype.co.uk/ukj21-brighton/categories/41-garages-and-mechanics-in-brighton). “Doctor” also gives me a few Brighton based results, without the map listing.

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  • Barry Adams 468 days ago

    http://www.barryadams.co.uk/

    That is indeed pretty big… On the one hand it’ll help local businesses ranking for generic searches in their area, but at the same time it makes it much harder for those local businesses to break in to the wider (UK) market.

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    • Chris McCarthy-Stott 468 days ago

      Could always create localised pages (& sites) for areas of the country you want to break into.

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      • David Sottimano 468 days ago

        http://distilled.net

        Gumtree is doing it pretty well: http://www.gumtree.com/pdas-handhelds/leeds

        But I think you’ll need a “physical address”, not just page targeting to stay on the first page. Assuming it gets more competitive (very likely).

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        • David Whitehouse 468 days ago

          Yeah I agree – it’s not to do with the domain or the keyword so much, you have to have an address on your website and be located in that area.

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          • Chris McCarthy-Stott 468 days ago

            You could always either lie, or get a virtual office (like many agencies do) for only a couple of pounds a month.

  • Carlos Duplar 468 days ago

    http://www.pokeronlinegratis.net.br/

    I wonder what happens if a non-SEO related person executes the same query. Would Wikipedia show up as number 1 as it used to?

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    • David Whitehouse 468 days ago

      Carlos – we asked my mum who does nothing SEO related and she found the same national results – albeit she didn’t have any location set yet. But once you set a location there is no opt-out.

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  • Jonny 468 days ago

    http://www.blog.hardtimesdesigns.co.uk

    Great post Dave! I read somewhere last month about Google improving local search, shame they had to test it in our sector first! I suppose it makes things harder to rank nationally, but on the flip side we can now see more accurately where our sites rank by region and as you researched by town too. Will be good for clients who have small businesses and who just cover nearby areas.

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    • Jonny 468 days ago

      http://www.blog.hardtimesdesigns.co.uk

      What Barry said, I was the first comment when I set about writing my original response so apologies if I repeated any of the above!

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  • Greg Dickson 468 days ago

    I’m seeing this across a lot of different sectors.

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  • Yasir 468 days ago

    A big change indeed which is one of the 40 changes done by Google in Feb. See details here: http://insidesearch.blogspot.com/2012/02/search-quality-highlights-40-changes.html

    Other major change was the ‘link evaluation’ method which impacted quite a few sites.

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  • Dan Sharp 468 days ago

    http://www.screamingfrog.co.uk/
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    • David Whitehouse 468 days ago

      Haha thanks Dan, guess it takes a while for these changes to roll out to the likes of Ripon!!!

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      • Dan Sharp 468 days ago

        http://www.screamingfrog.co.uk/

        I see they got your location right at least ;-)

        I quite like this change, it makes sense. It can promote smaller local businesses which I like.

        But Google (for me and our team at least) are consistently shit at getting our location correct, so we have irrelevant results all the way. Plus too many local directory type listings imo.. :-)

        Aswell as changing the the location to just ‘UK’, you can amend it in the .com search string (which shows .co.uk) results –

        https://www.google.com/search?pws=0&gl=UK&q=seo etc.

        Cheers.

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        • David Whitehouse 468 days ago

          Yeah I like it too, I like anything that makes things harder :)

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          • Dan Sharp 468 days ago

            http://www.screamingfrog.co.uk/

            LOL, we will leave that one there! ;-)

          • David Whitehouse 468 days ago

            LOL oops, didn’t mean it to sound like that!!!

            Yeah, pure conversation ender that lol.

  • David Sottimano 468 days ago

    http://distilled.net

    Yep, seeing this all over the place in the UK / US. In London you see John Lewis popping up for iPads & iPads London, but it drastically changes when search for a different location – not entirely sure what this means yet.

    This seems like a good time to be online & have a physical presence in major cities. We noticed some funky stuff going on in NYC recently, and by funky I mean completely off the mark – this algo updates needs some tweaking.

    Thanks for the post and further confimation – good job ;)

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  • Jan-Willem Bobbink 468 days ago

    http://www.11-internet.nl

    I think it is a positive improvement by Google. Local businesses get a fair chance of competing with the bigger online players. On the other side, pure internet players will see a decrease in traffic and need to do more work for maintaining their positions in the SERPs

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  • Carps 468 days ago

    http://www.trusteddealers.co.uk

    Based on a few of those results buying http://www.keywordtown.com is the way to go. Again.

    Plus ça change plus c’est la même chose…. ;)

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  • Dudibob 468 days ago

    You certainly have found something there! Seems to be positions 4-7 from here in Bristol for some websites that wouldn’t normally be in the top 10 for ‘SEO’.

    Also in regards to why Google testing on SEO, seems more like Google is targeting non-physical services whereas a mechanic a map is so useful in how to get there to get the service.

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  • Gavelect 468 days ago

    http://www.eqtr.com/

    Digital Agencies! One would have thought they would have tested this with geo targeted industries such as the hotel. the big aggregators still dominate in this area.

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  • Jon 468 days ago

    http://www.seoconsult.com

    Yeah I don’t really think we realise how big this is, it could be a big game changer.

    Patrick Aloft covered it here a week ago and attributes it to the Venice update from the recently released “40 Google changes” post.

    http://www.blogstorm.co.uk/google-venice-update-showing-locally-targeted-organic-results/

    I left my comments there so won’t bore you with too much in this comment, but one term that is affected for no good reason is [beanbag]. I get local beanbag listings with the likes of this Adsense crap ranking at #7 http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/by-make/l/liverpool-beanbags.asp

    But why?! Beanbag and SEO are not local terms – there is no local intent behind the query. And if there was, then why is there no Places listings? It’s as if two parts of the algo are not synchronised; one thinks SEO and beanbag are local and the other doesn’t.

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    • David Sottimano 468 days ago

      http://distilled.net

      I realize it, and you’re right – it is going to be a game changer.

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    • Ben Milleare 467 days ago

      http://benmilleare.com/

      This is the craziest part of all – there seems to be no rhyme or reason to where local organic results trigger and no cohesion with where Places results are included either.

      Since when was [beanbag], or [seo] for that matter, a query that implies the need for a geographically local service provider?

      This is a massive change to the Google SERPs and will affect almost every business in one way or another, so to be able to find anomalies so easily makes we wonder how much this was tested before launch.

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  • Dug 468 days ago

    In many ways, if you are going to try out localisation experiments in the SERPs, the SEO industry is a good one to try it on. It will be noticed quickly and you will have people reporting your results in a very thorough way. SEOs will be robust in their approach to testing and will give insight that Google won’t be able to manage.

    Serving and analysing results from within Google isn’t going to give them the accuracy and granularity of human opinion that an SEO will provide after phoning friends and relatives in nearby towns and villages to find out what their search results look like.

    And SEOs being content-whores (no disrespect), they will write about it and tell the world. All Google has to do is watch the results flow in when blogs ping them with a new post.

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    • David Whitehouse 465 days ago

      Good point Dug, I think your spot on there…

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  • mark Rushworth 467 days ago

    http://www.markrushworth.com

    great find. i think personalisation is the next biggest thing… if only google could get users onto g+ so they’d be lolled in all the time and hidden from analytics :/ 10 years ago u searched the world. 5 years ago u searched the uk. 1 year ago u searched your town. today u can only shop at places your friends like WTF… that’s not choice or relevancy, it’s limitation.

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  • Jaan Kanellis 467 days ago

    http://www.searchmarketingstandard.com

    David,

    So did anyone notice the changes outside of “SEO” queries? Like plumbers or carpenters?

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    • David Whitehouse 467 days ago

      Yeah see comments above.

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  • Rebecca Gill 467 days ago

    http://www.web-savvy-marketing.com

    Interesting. Just did a quick check for SEO and Google is still showing national level results for me in the US. It highlighted people on Google+ (Rand and Sullivan), but that was the only difference.

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  • Linda Buquet 467 days ago

    http://www.catalystemarketing.com/

    What you are seeing David, Google called the “Venice update”. I specialize in Google local and blogged about it a few days ago. Google announced it too (linked in my post) but as usual they were fairly vague so it took me awhile to figure out what it all meant.

    Google Venice Update – New Ranking Opportunities for Local SEO

    I think it may still be rolling out as it’s a little inconsistent

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    • David Whitehouse 465 days ago

      Hi LInda, yeah a few people mentioned that I must have missed it when I read through it the first time, then noticed after I posted!

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  • Dave Oremland 467 days ago

    http://www.bartending-school.com

    Dave: Localization results as shown in strictly organic settings has been around for a while. I’ve been focused on local for ages, mostly not writing but commenting in twitter as localoptimizer or in the old days in forums as earlpearl. Been doing this for years.

    About 1 year ago I contacted Bill Slawski wherein we looked at more subtle terms (call em 2ndary or long tail) terms that were showing up on a localized basis in organic results without an accompanying map from universal results.

    In fact I can think of at least one currently with the website I’ve referenced above. You can check it. Use google.com. ( I don’t know if it will show similarly from around the world). Set your location on the left to United States. Search for the term bartending license. The above referenced website ranks around #7. Pretty high.

    Now set your location in google.com for Washington DC. The same site seems to appear @ #2. Definitely regionalization.

    I saw this about 1 year ago. I went over the phenomena with Bill Slawski. We tested the same phenomena with a variety of 2ndary search terms and saw similar localization results. We discussed it. Bill pulled into his vast memory bank of patents and discussed some possible explanations. Neither of us wrote about it.

    Now here is something interesting. When I checked traffic on the 2ndary phrase that was showing “localization” benefits…it was clearly showing an uptick in traffic.

    It appears the uptick in traffic referenced back to late October 2010 when google started showing merged PAC results for local/ universal results. Evidently not only was Google showing very easily discerned local results with Universal results via a PAC and an accompanying map…but Google was also showing SUBTLE elements of localization for various phrases.

    But it was subtle.

    The real good news for all SEO’s with a site that might have some localization elements….is that traffic patterns for that phrase that received localization benefits was far higher on a daily basis than when it had not received the localization benefits. ie. the daily/weekly traffic for the phrase after the October 2010 change was better than before it received that “localization benefit”.

    When Google made its announcement about algo changes for this past February one of those changes had to do with signals about local.

    I think this is what they referenced. They started testing it in late October 2010 in a subtle way, IMHO.

    Its clearly more pronounced now. In my experience for websites that reference some kind of local service….as Martha Stewart would say….”Its a Good Thing”!!! :D

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    • David Whitehouse 465 days ago

      Yeah definitely from the February updates.

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  • Dave Oremland 467 days ago

    http://www.bartending-school.com

    Let me add two more things after rereading your article in depth.

    1. Calling people hundreds of miles away!!!! LOL I do that quite a bit when checking localization impacts. Good show!!

    2. Test the rankings and phrases. To date I’m seeing other potentially stronger impacts. Its quite interesting.

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  • cham 466 days ago

    http://www.xybertrix.com/

    I also see this localization happening to google these days. Thanks for this article. I think I really have to target the country of our clients in making their site rank.

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  • Thomas Frost 465 days ago

    http://seo-mand.dk

    Interesting read, I wonder if they will test that here in Denmark where I work with SEO. I am not sure this is a good thing for the users. I some cases it might be, but if you are looking for the best SEO company you dont want to see only companies in your city.

    It would be nice if there was on option to change these things as you search, so I can choose if I want to do an all local search or a normal search. I am not really in favor of Google controlling everything for me.

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  • Dave Stopher 465 days ago

    http://www.davestopherseo.co.uk

    Not to go against the grain. But this has been like this for a while. I started to notice this last month. To be honest it was a logical step that we would see this throughout most industries.

    Think the biggest effecting change is the temporary introduction of HTTPS for UK searches. Obviously to counter act this change we can use Webmaster Tools to establish most keyword data.

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    • David Whitehouse 465 days ago

      Hi Dave,

      Google tends to release stuff at different times to different people. We only got this update the day we blogged about it, but some people have been seeing it prior to that day.

      And there is something far, far bigger than this or HTTPS that will affect SEO, but I think we have to keep that under wraps until we’ve had a good look into it ;)

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  • Frederik Trovatten 464 days ago

    http://www.trovatten.com

    Damn.. That is a very game-changing change.. If it lasts.

    My guess is that it won’t last, since “SEO” isn’t very dependendt on location, compared to “Pizza” and “Restaurent”.
    For a couple years ago did we seo Maps listings for “SEO” as well. That lasted for 2-3 weeks since it’s not that relevant, compared to trust/authority.

    Great spottet David.. I’m looking forward to see if it lasts..

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  • Erik Hamre 464 days ago

    http://www.linkedin.com/pub/erik-hamre/49/837/4b5

    Very interesting post. I don’t think it’s realistic with a Google without maps as they actually serve a purpose for many local searches and local mobile searches, but maybe they’re fiddling around with it just to test the water. Maybe it’s an attempt to combine the local of maps with the authoritative of search, seeing as how many less than stellar companies pop up in maps.Guess we’ll have to wait until there is more data.

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  • Tiggerito 464 days ago

    http://seo-website-designer.com/

    Yesterday I was doing some SERP testing across US cities and spotted my client was ranking higher in one city.

    Further investigation showed it was a standard organic listing and not a places listing as expected.

    It is the city they have an office and a places listing so I suspected Google was doing some secret localisation of results.

    Nice to realise I was on the right track. Pity it puts a spanner in the way I detect if a result is localised or national.

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  • Carly 464 days ago

    http://www.9xb.com

    Great post – ranking checks have become ridiculous and we’re reporting to clients on where they rank for their actual location as well as ‘UK’ targeted results now. I have tested a few things and UK results are the same as London results for us too – is this Google being lazy?

    Also notice the odd US-only sites popping in and getting mixed up with local searches.

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  • Laust S. 464 days ago

    http://screenshot-mac.com

    Wow… I’m about to write my masterthesis about local search and marketing, and this might ruin it all.. or make it so much more interessting!

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  • Jenny Halasz 464 days ago

    http://jlh-marketing.com

    This has been happening in the US for a long time. I actually first noticed it about 3 months ago. Wish I’d known it was a big deal; maybe my blog would be getting the traffic! ;-)

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  • Matthew Hunt 461 days ago

    http://www.SmallBusinessOnlineCoach.com

    Dave, great post. this is huge news and great news for us local SEO’ers. I am not surprised by the news. I think it’s good news, even as a searcher I usually want more localized results to show when I search anyways.

    All the big boys will need to think local now when it comes to SEO. Good news is most local keywords are not too competitive and it’s completely do-able. It’s just a content creation challenge really.

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  • John Webster 440 days ago

    I’ve noticed a very different change in rankings to a wide range of searches since Feb 12.

    On http://www.google.com.au there are many more international sites ranking top 10 post the Feb change to the point where I’ve been hitting the Aust pages button a lot of the time.

    Here are 3 phrases and the numbers of non-Aust pages that rank top 10 to them:

    how tramp iron removal magnets work = 7 international pages
    wooden railway sleepers = 7 international pages
    practice management software = 6 international pages

    I just ran “how tramp iron removal magnets work” through google.co.uk and there seems to be a similar pattern of non-UK sites ranking top. If you toggle between “web pages” and “UK pages” they are almost 2 totally different results. The other 2 don’t seem to provide such diverse results. When I run them through .co.nz, .ca and .com.sg it is back to very different search results.

    Could there be a factor that is overpowering small country results?

    I cleared my browser cache before checking and I run with history tracking off.

    Has anyone else observed this sort of effect on other Google country SEs?

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