Nofollow sculpting my take
Have seen several cases now where using “nofollow” on internal links did this
a) Increased ranking on short tail and killed a lot of long tail traffic .. Hmmm not good
b) Didn’t effect ranking’s at all .. Ok so my internal page rank may have lifted a little here
c) Decreased rankings in general .. NOT COOL !
d) Slightly increased traffic over all. Way COOL !
Now the big issue for me is there are a few people that are starting to say this is the silver bullet for SEO, but what I don’t want to say is this is bullshit, there are too many other factors why you could have moved in the serps, the big clean up in the paid links could have and a side effect on your rankings or your competitors…
so the 6 million dollar question, does NOFOLLOWING your internals effect your Ranking in google, I say ranking and not Pagerank. Not even I’m going to say that No-Following all but 3 pages from your homepage won’t increase you pagerank on those internals, But I have seen some ODD STUFF happen so i decided the only real way to do this was
a) set up controlled tests. I so love doing that, but what happens if the test is influenced by external factors like say
howstuffworks.com links to sitea.com which links to me, then howstuffwork.com gets hit with a link selling penalty which in turn effects the link juice from sitea.com to me and I drop a little in the ranking… thats the way this link stuff works you know.
b) just ask Matt Cutts so I did.
Matt’s answer was :
Nofollowing your internals can affect your ranking in Google, but it’s a 2nd order effect.
My analogy is: suppose you’ve got $100. Would you rather work on getting $300, or would you spend your time planning how to spend your $100 more wisely.
Spending the $100 more wisely is a matter of good site architecture (and nofollowing/sculpting PageRank if you want). But most people would benefit more from looking at how to get to the $300 level.
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sheesh a simple YES would have been ok, But I’m totally in agreeance with Matt here. Me I worry about getting to the next level of Pagerank and not loosing what little I have … so link to me.. joke i tend to house keep my site every so often to decide how many pages my site should have indexed, 301 the old crappy stuff in fact I’m hoping to do that before SES New York, i will tell you how that worked out.
DaveN
Addef this is a great article by joost on
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Dave Dugdale 1900 days ago
http://www.rentvine.com/That was kind of a different answer from Matt. Are you sure he wrote that?
DaveN 1900 days ago
yes I’m pretty sure it was Matt Cutts, and I also sent a second email asking permisson to use his example
DaveN
Tom Ford 1900 days ago
http://www.fragrantica.com/I had interesting and controlled experiment that uses both:
nofollowing of internal pages and meta noindex, follow
Experiment was driven on 2 similar sites with similar number of pages (5k~7k pages) site architecture is:
1. homepage (that gets most of links)
2. different paths to items (search result pages by various parameters that link to items)
3. items
on one site we applied noindex, follow and nofollow links from higher to lower level (ex. from item to serp) and allow up and horizontal linking…
the result:
OK let’s see who wants to see results?
Call 555-555-555
OK you David share with us things, let me share my result its like making from 100 to 150 bucks effect
in traffic and 100 to 200 in money (raising per visitor value).
PageRank sculpting: my view - Joost de Valk's SEO Blog 1899 days ago
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Mark 1899 days ago
As another point of view, I did some on-site work for a client, we were tracking 100 key phrases. We implemented nofollow throughout the site and over the next 4 months, we had an overall net gain of 1,800 places – from pretty much stationary. No link building was done.
Mark 1899 days ago
That should say 4 weeks ^ not months :$
Li Evans 1897 days ago
http://www.searchmarketinggurus.comDave… thanks for sharing this with all of us, would love to pick your brain a bit more about it in a few days.
See you at SES NYC… and please please please…. don’t mention those things that gets Dave so upset!;)
~Li
DaveN 1897 days ago
Hey .. LI you post was killed be akismet maybe you need to email them
DaveN
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michael streko 1897 days ago
http://www.streko.comGreat post.
I always had the same out take on it – I have a few sites that rank for weird terms from a contact page – why risk loosing the clicks.
claire stokoe 1894 days ago
http://froggblog.leapfrogg.co.uk/This was a really interesting post, this is something i have been looking into recently. I do think that link sculpting is good practice, pages such as contact us, login and about us are not really in need of being passed link juice. It helps the search engines use less band width and makes a sites internal linking bespoke, which can only be a good thing.
Many thanks claire
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Thomas Schulz 1813 days ago
http://www.micro-sys.dk/blogs/2008/05/30/website-analysis-and-pagerank-sculpting/Considering how easy it is to sculpt PR, I would say as for a “2nd tier” thing todo, it is still very mucl worth the time. Using proper tools it is easy to determine where link juice is flowing and correct it.
Tim Hawkins 1724 days ago
http://www.webmarketingadvisor.com/SEO-blog/google-following-no-followsNo follow is starting to get rather complicated, we’ve seen Google recently deliberately following no follows, we’ve seen this before but with no pattern up until now. Have recently written a blog post about this.
Peter Holland 1700 days ago
http://www.figurines-sculpture.comI am no SEO boffin, but caught this interesting thread. On the last post the subject of google following a no follow. Am I right in thinking they ignore no follows for the purposes of passing page rank, but include no follows for the inbound-link /SERPS ranking? Hope that’s not too dumb a question …
Andy Jolls 1690 days ago
http://www.videocreditscore.comAre there other good places to learn about the latest on the nofollow approach?
Shelley 1673 days ago
http://www.batteryonline.org.ukWonderful example! That’s a good point, but what if I eran extra $300, and at the same time plan spanding my $100 wisely? After all the nofollow tag is not too hard to use.
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Mark C 1543 days ago
http://www.theseoherald.comOne of my website was having a home page filled with few products that I sell huge. Each product was having 3 links to the same page ie… the product name, the product image and the More info button. I recently made the image and more info button “no follow” and just trying to go with what Stephen Spencer said on PR sculpting. He says it works fine for him and what do you guys think?
I am just waiting for few more days with a Bulls Eye
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richardbaxterseo 1425 days ago
http://seogadget.co.uk/We’re just working to remove all nofollowed links on our site with the exception of a couple of pages (register etc). Should be interesting looking at the traffic afterwards….
scoot 1413 days ago
http://www.jj54.com/that’s to say, most links on blog comments will gain PR from it?
I think it is a good and bad news.
bad news is how to control blog comment spam.
Dan 1164 days ago
http://rentbits.com2 years later. Do you know if this still is the case?
Craig Mullins 1083 days ago
I have a bunch of sites and I nofollowed all outgoing links & had a huge traffic drop… Removed nofollow and traffic went back up…