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		<title>Comment on Google Begins Crackdown On Misuse Of Rich Snippets by James Finlayson</title>
		<link>http://www.davidnaylor.co.uk/google-begins-crackdown-on-misuse-of-rich-snippets.html#comment-179221</link>
		<dc:creator>James Finlayson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure I can agree that what SEO Creare and Just Search are doing is legitimate. 

SEO Creare are referencing Top SEO&#039;s - which I think is a good enough reason for it to be illegitimate within itself. Secondly, the reviews attached to Creare on Top SEOs look somewhat suspect in any case. 

In Just Search&#039;s case - anyone can find a bunch of good reviews and chuck them on their website. The average searcher doesn&#039;t know anything about schema.org and will assume that the stars are a combined independent view of the company. If what Just Search is doing is legitimate then what stops everyone from doing this - what value will rich snippets have if everyone has 5/5?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I can agree that what SEO Creare and Just Search are doing is legitimate. </p>
<p>SEO Creare are referencing Top SEO&#8217;s &#8211; which I think is a good enough reason for it to be illegitimate within itself. Secondly, the reviews attached to Creare on Top SEOs look somewhat suspect in any case. </p>
<p>In Just Search&#8217;s case &#8211; anyone can find a bunch of good reviews and chuck them on their website. The average searcher doesn&#8217;t know anything about schema.org and will assume that the stars are a combined independent view of the company. If what Just Search is doing is legitimate then what stops everyone from doing this &#8211; what value will rich snippets have if everyone has 5/5?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Google Mad at Joomla ? by Yannick Gaultier</title>
		<link>http://www.davidnaylor.co.uk/is-google-mad-at-joomla.html#comment-179205</link>
		<dc:creator>Yannick Gaultier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sam,

And yet, they ARE Joomla. In the business world, what you say might make sense but not in a decentralized project (project, not company) such as Joomla! The &quot;not affiliated&quot; marks is legal wording you have to print if you use a domain name with &#039;joomla&#039; in it. You get authorization to do that from opensourcematters.org, the trademark holder. 

To put it an other way, Dave, and most of the people who commented here, seem to assume that joomla.org is the representative body for Joomla, the authoritative one, so to speak. It is not. It&#039;s  one of the Joomla! project sites, while of course being the largest and most prominent. If there is one such authoritative body, that&#039;s opensourcematters.org, the non-profit holding Joomla! project IP rights, but even that is not true, as OSM only handle legal and financial matters, not the technical side of thinkgs, or community management.

Most (some may slip through) of those sites have resquested authorizations to operate (from opensourcematters.org), and provide the official localized version of Joomla for a language. They indeed are the per countries arms of the Joomla! project.

I did understand Daves&#039;s question the same as you, that is joomla.org did something wrong because they should be ahead of &quot;local&quot; sites. Knowing a bit of the project, I disagree with that statement, so indeed it&#039;ll be interesting to see what the exact issue Dave is considering here. 

Cheers

Disclaimer: These are my personal opinions and thoughts about the Joomla! project, I&#039;m not speaking on behalf of the project. While of course, you&#039;d have a hard time finding someone actually speaking for the project, due to its decentralized nature ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sam,</p>
<p>And yet, they ARE Joomla. In the business world, what you say might make sense but not in a decentralized project (project, not company) such as Joomla! The &#8220;not affiliated&#8221; marks is legal wording you have to print if you use a domain name with &#8216;joomla&#8217; in it. You get authorization to do that from opensourcematters.org, the trademark holder. </p>
<p>To put it an other way, Dave, and most of the people who commented here, seem to assume that joomla.org is the representative body for Joomla, the authoritative one, so to speak. It is not. It&#8217;s  one of the Joomla! project sites, while of course being the largest and most prominent. If there is one such authoritative body, that&#8217;s opensourcematters.org, the non-profit holding Joomla! project IP rights, but even that is not true, as OSM only handle legal and financial matters, not the technical side of thinkgs, or community management.</p>
<p>Most (some may slip through) of those sites have resquested authorizations to operate (from opensourcematters.org), and provide the official localized version of Joomla for a language. They indeed are the per countries arms of the Joomla! project.</p>
<p>I did understand Daves&#8217;s question the same as you, that is joomla.org did something wrong because they should be ahead of &#8220;local&#8221; sites. Knowing a bit of the project, I disagree with that statement, so indeed it&#8217;ll be interesting to see what the exact issue Dave is considering here. </p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Disclaimer: These are my personal opinions and thoughts about the Joomla! project, I&#8217;m not speaking on behalf of the project. While of course, you&#8217;d have a hard time finding someone actually speaking for the project, due to its decentralized nature <img src='http://www.davidnaylor.co.uk/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Google Mad at Joomla ? by Sam Daams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Daams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 08:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that each of those sites states in the footer that they are not affiliated with joomla should be a giveaway that they indeed are NOT joomla. 

The way I look at it, if Dave asks a question like this, the answer can&#039;t be quite as simple as &#039;they didn&#039;t buy the local TLDs&#039; though. The question is also not &#039;why are these local TLDs ranking tops, but &quot;what did joomla do wrong?&quot;&#039;, which implies Dave knows they did something wrong, and will tell us shortly...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that each of those sites states in the footer that they are not affiliated with joomla should be a giveaway that they indeed are NOT joomla. </p>
<p>The way I look at it, if Dave asks a question like this, the answer can&#8217;t be quite as simple as &#8216;they didn&#8217;t buy the local TLDs&#8217; though. The question is also not &#8216;why are these local TLDs ranking tops, but &#8220;what did joomla do wrong?&#8221;&#8216;, which implies Dave knows they did something wrong, and will tell us shortly&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Begins Crackdown On Misuse Of Rich Snippets by Mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Google are not very clear in a lot of their rules and regs.
As to the comment from Elaine I think many sites do write their own reviews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Google are not very clear in a lot of their rules and regs.<br />
As to the comment from Elaine I think many sites do write their own reviews.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Google Mad at Joomla ? by Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 16:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Yannick It makes sense in some cases. Drupal.be tops out Drupal.org in Belgium simply because it has more relevant info in that language. The same with Joomla.gr in Greece. That&#039;s probably not true in Australia, the UK and other places and is a Google fail.

@Max I&#039;d probably give the organizations a break on not picking up the regional domain names. I don&#039;t think of any them ever though their projects would become as popular as they did. Now that they are there&#039;s little to no chance that any of them will be buying domains. Joomla, Drupal and WordPress all operate on shoestring budgets with better things to spend their money on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Yannick It makes sense in some cases. Drupal.be tops out Drupal.org in Belgium simply because it has more relevant info in that language. The same with Joomla.gr in Greece. That&#8217;s probably not true in Australia, the UK and other places and is a Google fail.</p>
<p>@Max I&#8217;d probably give the organizations a break on not picking up the regional domain names. I don&#8217;t think of any them ever though their projects would become as popular as they did. Now that they are there&#8217;s little to no chance that any of them will be buying domains. Joomla, Drupal and WordPress all operate on shoestring budgets with better things to spend their money on.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Google Mad at Joomla ? by Yannick Gaultier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yannick Gaultier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 14:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, yet I still don&#039;t see what the problem is. If you do the same experiment replacing joomla with cocacola, mercedes, or most likely any international brand, you get the exact same (expected) result. So in which way is there a problem with Joomla here?

Unless ofc you assume that joomla.fr, joomla.co.uk, joomla.de,etc are NOT  Joomla - which is incorrect.

Rgds</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, yet I still don&#8217;t see what the problem is. If you do the same experiment replacing joomla with cocacola, mercedes, or most likely any international brand, you get the exact same (expected) result. So in which way is there a problem with Joomla here?</p>
<p>Unless ofc you assume that joomla.fr, joomla.co.uk, joomla.de,etc are NOT  Joomla &#8211; which is incorrect.</p>
<p>Rgds</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Google Mad at Joomla ? by Fadi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fadi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that they&#039;re mad at Joomla, but the search results (especially the top ones) differ from one country to another in Google. Local tlds have a weight that is taken into consideration when ordering search results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that they&#8217;re mad at Joomla, but the search results (especially the top ones) differ from one country to another in Google. Local tlds have a weight that is taken into consideration when ordering search results.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is Google Mad at Joomla ? by Clifton Flack (@cliftonflack)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifton Flack (@cliftonflack)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 12:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And a sub-thought... take a look at the sites, the co-uk looks like a poor excuse of a website clearly targeting some local SEO power.....and the nz just a poor version of .org

Perhaps Google is penalizing for what would clearly be a devalued onsite experience....(incuding a back click to then choose the real joomla.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And a sub-thought&#8230; take a look at the sites, the co-uk looks like a poor excuse of a website clearly targeting some local SEO power&#8230;..and the nz just a poor version of .org</p>
<p>Perhaps Google is penalizing for what would clearly be a devalued onsite experience&#8230;.(incuding a back click to then choose the real joomla.org</p>
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