It’s not very often that I really think about the search industry from the eyes of a search engine, more often I look at the search results and how to game them for profit..
But last night has I watched the MSN PR machine roll in to action, 5 adverts last night alone on SKY, It got me thinking more from the search engines point of view and than SEO’s point of view , thoughts like will Google do an AltaVista and who will win the search race…. MSN or Yahoo ?
The more I thought about it the more it became a 2 horse race between Yahoo and MSN, I know that it is a little outrageous discounting Google, but I feel that they are losing sight of what made them a great search engine…. search !! as Google tries to cut into Yahoo and MSN’s Portal industry, Yahoo and MSN have made great inroads into Google’s search industry.
OK I’m slightly Bias towards Yahoo, but only because they have great people like Tim Mayer and Andy Williams, which are always open to discussion. Google has Matt Cutts and I have spent many an hour having a laugh and a joke with him at SES and WMW conferences, but when it’s comes down to search engine discussions, Yahoo are much more open…. BTW I’m still waiting for Matt to reply to my email
Anyway back on track.. I was talking to a search rep about Google banning certain sites for no reason other than the fact that a large number of spammers where using that sTLD, well 1.2 million small business got washed down the plug hole with that tweak ! On the other side of the coin I discussed with Yahoo about banning sites, when they ban a site they should still list the homepage if someone typed in the url. Even if Yahoo thought that the site in question as complete waste of bandwidth, if a searcher wanted to find that site they should still be able to find it !! That’s a search engines job at heart to supply the public with relevant search results..
Example
Do a search for - Supreme Fireworks UK on any of the big 3 and ask yourself why Google placed a penalty on their site.
DaveN
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22nd February 2005 @ 01:48
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Matt I can’t make SES but will catch up with you later, check your Sticky :)..
Last night has I walked in to the livingroom I saw an advertisement on TV for a new AVON lipstick, they advertised the the URL and I bet my wife that it would not be on google, of course it was a little unfair due to fact that I knew “avon cafe” would have been caught up in the google lets get spammers colleratal damage !
Do a search for “avon cafe” in the top 3 search engines.
DaveN
22nd February 2005 @ 10:33
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Dave -
Never been to your site before, but I’m glad I swung by. I appreciate how important an open conversation is between search engines and webmasters/SEOs. It’s a meeting of the minds that is long overdue. I also agree that Yahoo! & MSN both have better long term prospects than Google. The money and resources required to become a great search engine are well within the grasp of Yahoo! and MSN, and Google appears to be going down the long road of making enemies rather than friends.I still think there is time for them to turn away from that path. Maybe SES NYC can help to start that. I’m sorry I won’t meet you there - perhaps at the one later this year in Toronto or San Diego?
26th February 2005 @ 06:09
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Google’s been crashing for a good year and half now. I made the switch a long time ago (Y!). You just cant focus on marketing your business with google. If you put in to much time, you’ll just get penalized so whats the point of investing you time and money in marketing half ass. I dont want a half ass business - I want a serious business earned through hard work.
26th February 2005 @ 06:13
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Goverments do it, countries, peoble, firms does it -
Set up rules, change them again when it’s suitable -
Google is “BIG” and thats why we all want to hang out with them, thats also why the control with peobles behavior have a bigger influence.
Banning googlebot sound od’ to me vs. because of some temp. (filter) change in algorithm.
I have several phrases ranked well in both Yahoo, MSN, Google, but a logfil analyzes allways gives hits from Google the majority.
I think Aaron Wall’s article “seo-vacuum - explain tweak issue” make good sense
how the filter could influence.We also have seen Google changing the filter back, so innocent website have no influence -
Good luck !
KAH26th February 2005 @ 12:00
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Looks like Supreme Fireworks UK is back in Google now - also that major UK site that was having issues, that you and I discussed last week, is making a recovery. I think this latest algo is still being tweaked. Keep up the good work!
Alex Walker
26th February 2005 @ 13:31
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yer Indigo,
I spoke to matt last week about this and he said he would get some to look at it, I guess He Did thanks Matt…
if you have ever coder for a living you know that one little tweak can destory a dataset and unless someone points it out it’s had to find
DaveN28th February 2005 @ 10:17
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I was tearing my hair out trying to fathom the total loss of Google rank.
We have many friends world-wide and quite a few (plus at least two large spam outfits) got sasser or similar and propagated it via e-mails spoofing the from address as if it were from us.
The load on the domain server brought it to a standstill with bounced addresses: manyrandomcombinations@ourdomain
We had no choice but to reject any that did not correspond to a valid mail box.
I’m sure I was not the only one to suffer.
18th March 2005 @ 00:22
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I was tearing my hair out as to why firework.uk.com had been blacklisted.
As you imply, had worms infected many of my friends throughout the world (and a couple of the large spammers) creating many e-mails to randomaddresses@mydomain and many from mydomain
The hosts server became overwhelmed and e-mails to other than valid mail boxes were rejected.
Nobody from Google has ever commented after I complained but it should be well known how these worms forge from
addresses.18th March 2005 @ 11:47
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Does this mean that most “.uk.com” domains are actually wiped from Google??
31st March 2005 @ 20:35
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Nah uk.com Matt sorted it, but gb.com’s are still dead …
Jaguar Records is new record label based in South London try finding them
just a clue : http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=jaguar+records+uk&ei=UTF-8&fl=0&x=wrtDaveN
31st March 2005 @ 20:42
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Googles S***e….dumped our business into the sand pit after being number 1 for the search term for over two years…..set of t***s….long live the small business….boil ur head google
21st May 2005 @ 17:41
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Matt